Welcome to Home Building Like a Boss, the podcast dedicated to helping first home buyers in Perth  build their dream home with ease and excitement.  I'm Jamie, your host and go to building broker.  Are you ready to feel empowered, in control, and excited about your building journey? I'll help guide you with expert advice, insider tips and tricks, and real life stories.

Stories to help you navigate the confusing world of home building. Tune in as I take you on the journey to building your home like a boss.  Thank  you for joining me today, Kelsey. I guess to start off by telling us a little bit about you and why you decided to come on the podcast today. We'd love to thank you for having me, 

Um, so I obviously met you at a wedding Yes. Years ago. Mutual friends. Yes. Um, and I just, I asked you, I was like, tell me more about what you do with no plan on building a house at all. Um, and you told me, and we had some friends that were Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought, awesome. It's just good to know. That sounds very cool.

Cool for them. Followed their build that they were sharing on Instagram. And then Liam, so my husband, Liam and I, we got married, um, and then straight fresh off the honeymoon, I was like, what's the next big life challenge that I can throw at us? House. Yeah. I was like, house. We should absolutely get onto that.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, and we probably weren't in a position in the current market to, to do that. Think about buying established. Um, we really hadn't done a whole lot of work saving money. Yep. Um, and I remember I called you and I was like, Hey Jamie, I met you years ago.  I know that was 2020 this time, 2022. Yes.

Yeah. Three years ago now.  Three years gone so fast. Um, and I was like, How, you know, is there any, is there any kind of visibility of us building a house? What would that look like? And you were like, yeah, let me help you get the ball rolling. Yeah. Um, and so I think I was just stalking on Instagram and came across the podcast. 

My husband is FIFO, so he works away. So. I was a bit like, I've got this beat in my bonnet and I started binging the  podcast,  episode by episode. And I'd be sending them to Liam and saying, this is really interesting, you need to listen to this one in particular, or like go back to the very beginning and just learn as much as I'm learning from you.

about, you know, building, and if that's something that we, we want to do. Amazing. And it all sounded amazing, and that's, yeah, we got the ball rolling officially. Yeah, I know, how long was that?  I want to say it was, May? 2023,  was it? Nah, no, no, no, last year. Yeah. May. No, I reckon it was, maybe, yeah, March. Maybe March 2023. 

Yeah. Yeah. Cause what are we now? 2025. Yeah. And then we found land. Yeah. A little while afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got you in sorted out your budget.  Thank God. Yeah. And you, I guess he thought that it probably like in your mind, did you think it wasn't possible? Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. I was like, we, we've not been saving since we were in the womb,  which is what you need to do right now.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, typical millennials and had been caught in that rental trap. Yeah. Maybe not thinking kind of like longer term. Yeah. Commitment, settling down. I'm not from Perth originally. Yeah. So it's, you know, through my husband that I ended up settling here. Yeah. But yeah, I think we didn't think it was possible at all.

And I remember saying to you, like, is it? Yeah. Are you sure? Yeah. Like, I don't believe it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.  And I guess what were the, so like we sorted out. I looked at the budget and then we got into the land component of it. Yeah. How did you find that process of looking for land and trying to work that in with your budget and what you guys wanted?

Yeah, I think you guys were super educational from the very beginning. I remember you shared a really good tip and it was whatever. Like the land cost is, you can expect your build to be pretty much on par, and that was really helpful for us to go away and look at land and be like, okay, well that one's way over.

Yeah. We, we knew what budget we had to work with. Yeah. So we'd had obviously the mortgage brokers. So, we knew that number and then from there it was just looking at land, we're trying to find land. Yeah. It was in budget, the actual finding of land. That was tough last year. It was so tough. Yeah. Really, really tough.

It was tough. I've thought about this. I've actually shared this like with a couple of friends as well but. Yeah. I think. Where you guys were amazing for us was managing our expectations. Yes. Yep. Yeah. Like also keeping us kind of, you know, like keeping it real in a way that we would find land. And obviously we don't know anything about, you know, what's a good, what's a good block to, to buy.

Yeah. And I'd done some basic research around, you know, don't, don't do this or don't look for this. But knowledge was.  And I remember there was one point and I was sending land to you guys and you guys would come back to me time and time again and be like, no, no, you cannot, you cannot have that one.  But I think some of those, and the reason for that was, you know, they were just, they were poor.

Poor lot. Poor lots, really. Yeah, cheaper lots, but hidden costs, the build's going to cost more. Yes, side work prices would have been sky high, that kind of stuff. And so yeah, for a while I was like, oh, they are the enemy. They don't want us to be happy.  These guys suck. Yeah.  Um, but you guys had our best interests at heart from, from day one.

And I know that now. It's just hard going through that process. And I think the challenge as well, there just, there wasn't much land available. And if there was land that was coming up, it was limited numbers that were being released. Yeah. Titles weren't due for like way into the future. Yeah. Um, and we didn't want to slow, you know, our, our journey down with building.

You were in the thick of the land shortage. Absolutely. Yeah. In quotation marks. Yeah. In the thick of that process and having like in the middle of last year, which was like really tough. I remember the first one that we tried to get, um, I think it was something we got the feedback that a hundred people had applied in the first ten minutes.

So that was northern, northern suburbs of Perth. That was Alkimos Beach. It was, yeah. Yeah. And so in desperation, we tried doing everything. Like we would go to. The land developers offices that they'd have and be like, what do we have to do? Like what's going to get it over the line? Yeah. Yeah. How do we, how do we get a foot in the door?

And it was just same, same as everyone really. You've got to be on with, you know, right on time in that first minute.  But you guys were always there to support us with that as well on weekends. And they always had different, they had different processes last year. And I remember all of us sitting in here too, and it's like 10 o'clock, submit.

And you're still, it was just, I don't know, so competitive. Yeah. And then where we got lucky with where we've bought now, you guys had reached out to them. We had reached out to them. I called the day before and I was like, Hey, boss building brokers have sent this. We're sending this too. We're all working together.

Help us. Yeah. Please help us. And I think just. Yeah, maybe a good tip for some people as well, like just have that call and reinforce that relationship. Yeah. That we are working with you.  Well, then they also know that you're extra serious in the process too, like actually looking because people do look, but I guess they're like window shopping.

Yep. So then that might get someone call up and want to have a block, but they're not super serious. But when you say, so yeah, I'm working with bus building brokers and they've inquired or working with whoever. Yeah. Then you kind of build that. Evidence? That's not the right word, but like support that you are actually looking and you want to get in.

Serious buyer. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I think that was probably the thing that helped get us over the line at that point. Yeah. Which was awesome. So thank you.  Um, and then, so we've got over our hurdles of getting the block, which is great. And I guess we moved through the design phase, which Mim helped out a lot with too.

We kind of all worked on the back end through that one. Yep. How, talk about what kind of things you guys had on your list and your non negotiables and what was important to you and how you kind of navigated through that process. Yeah, absolutely. I think it was probably. Maybe more challenging with us because number one, we didn't have any non negotiables really.

Yeah. Um, at the very beginning we were very much like, Oh, like it's so budget dependent, like how much can we borrow? Yeah. And so we actually ended up getting a home design that we liked like floor plan layout wise, but it was slightly too big, slightly too expensive for what our budget was. Yeah. And so you guys, Mim in particular, helped.

you know, just things that we wouldn't have known to have done independently, like wouldn't have thought was possible. And it was things like removing a bedroom, kind of just reducing the house plan size. I say non negotiables, but one of our, we had one, and it was to have. Garden space for our dog. Yeah, important.

So important. Everyone's always building for their pets. That's right, absolutely.  Nobody else matters.  I'm not sure how many other people have sacrificed a bedroom for some garden space. People do a lot of things in their house for pets. Cats and dogs. Yep, yep. I've had clients design their laundries for their cat.

I love that. Yeah, it's so great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the whole side of the house, the cat door, the, we've got a, and, and dogs too. Yeah, I'm feeling it.  Um, so yeah, it was kind of just, you know, all those little tips and tricks that we wouldn't have been able to, we wouldn't have known to remove a bedroom and things like that.

So. Change this, do this. Yeah. And in doing that, we managed to get like the floor plan that we were after. within the budget that we had whilst also having garden space for the dog. Yeah, absolutely.  And I know, because I guess you kind of, the land and the location was very, very important to you. So when you were tossing up between the block and the design, did you find that you, like, where did you think you had to compromise the most on?

It's actually a really good point. So I think lifestyle is so important for so many people. Yeah. And like you would pick. based on lifestyle. Liam and I have done the absolute opposite. We've not picked based on lifestyle and we picked based on like a good size. I think, you know, being like mid thirties now, like for us, it wasn't so much about being somewhere that was super accessible.

We've got family that lives all over Perth. Like we're used to traveling. FIFO. He, you know, he's not here. I'm studying. So we kind of. didn't have to focus so much on, you know, are we, yeah, location, it was really like, where are we going to be comfortable because we didn't want to build a shoe box  in a way that we were going to be on top of each other and that kind of thing.

So the space and having that good size was really like the driving factor. And because did we? Or going beach side of. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was another thing as we're close to the beach or further to the beach, or further away from the beach. Yeah, I think I can remember like our first ever conversation being like, oh the furthest north that we would go is Alkomos.

Yeah. And then in the whole land shortage  at one point we were like Yanchep, Turok, we're literally anywhere.  We're just not gonna, we're not gonna let any of that hold us back. Yeah. Like we'll travel. Yeah. And that comes back to that whole, Expectation versus reality. And it happens with everyone. You could have a budget of  600k or you can have a budget of 800 or 1.

5 mil. And the reality in your expectations is always so different and you always want more than what you can actually have. But because you don't understand how much does land cost? What are site works? How much does flooring cost? How much do these things cost? I don't know. Can you just install a tap?

Is that 50 bucks? Yeah, you've got no idea.  Piping, the groundwork has to go in, like all that stuff that you have to think about, which you're like, but you're just like installing a tap. Yeah. It's like, surely it's not that big. Yeah. Yeah. But just to go back to like the floor plan and I think where we did sacrifice maybe like a better location or not better, but closer to where we'd initially hoped to be, we made up for in other ways.

Like we got like higher, higher ceilings in our like main living area. Yeah. Um, something to make out maybe smaller sized. House that we wanted. Yeah. Made feel a little bit bigger in those little bit bigger shared areas. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So again, thank you for helping with that. That's okay. Yeah, , I think we've probably saved maybe like  20 to 40,000 I think loads in costs, which Yeah.

Is pretty crazy. Yeah, absolutely. And so good. And yeah, like things like that, you want to be able to have those. structural elements included in your build, because you can add the other bits and pieces later or like now, which we'll go through the process and talk about pre start, but how you've been able to like add some of those things back in to make it work, which technically adds up to over the budget, but.

Yeah. It's done differently. Yeah. A hundred percent. I think just the last thing that I would say about like our choice on the land, and this is to go back to my earlier podcast, binging  was more, okay. It's not necessarily like our forever suburb that we want to be in, but that whole time in market situation, we were like, get in.

And it's not necessarily like first home has to be forever home. It's, you know, it's where we, where we start. So yeah, that was another. Okay. This is worthwhile us doing this. Yeah. Cause you, you did really struggle with that at the start of the first home and the forever home. And a lot of clients start like that too.

Cause you're like, I'm going to build my forever house.  This is where I'm going to stay forever, but it just doesn't work like that. But the time in the market, cause when you settled, which was just before the end of last year, how much equity did you already have? The value had changed by 50, 60. I want to say it might've been around.

45. Yeah. Whatever the figure was. Yeah. With, so far. So yeah, it was amazing. We had, we've made some equity. Yeah. On our land. On the land. Alone. Just, yeah. Before. In six months. Yeah. Before slab has gone down. Yeah. Anything like that. So it has now meant that all of the little costs that we've done since. Yeah.

Like in pre start. Yeah. We haven't spent more than what it's currently valued. And that's before the foundations of, yeah. Yeah. Gone down. So it's a nice even decision. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And you still got, well, your slab will go down Yeah. Soon. Yeah. In the next four, yeah, hopefully five weeks. Hope. Yeah.

You're just finalizing all your pre-start documents and stuff at the moment. Yeah. And then, yeah, in 12 months. most likely less like how much equity you have in that from having like time in the market to then having your foot in the door like that. Yeah, absolutely. It's huge. It is such a like a mind mind shift for people to like go through that.

What do you think was the Turning point, I guess, that like made you shift into that decision. Ooh. Was there something that was really like, okay, it makes sense now? No, I think it was just no, like where we're at in life, like right now it was like, yeah, we've been together for a long time. We'd got married and it was like, let's just, you know, add a new life challenge. 

I know. Well, I mean, you're renting too, which is also annoying. Yes. Yeah. And it just felt, I remember saying to you, I was like, Oh, we have been stuck renting and obviously like the rental crisis is not doing anybody any favors. So yeah, it was time for us to get a little bit more like, okay, we want to have that stability.

I don't want to, I've become like a moving pro, but I don't want to have to do it again.  Not annually or yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think that was probably the turning point.  We are in a really fortunate position where like our lease. is not for a set period of time. Oh, that's good. And that was like the big flexibility for us where we were like, okay, we could build and not have that, you know, scenario of our lease doesn't match with when we need to go into new home or we don't want to be paying.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause that does come into effect a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Managing that mortgage repayments and progress repayments as it builds through construction with your rent too. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. And okay. Cool. So we've gone through, I guess, the design process. Yeah. Now we move through stages of building contract and pre starts.

Yeah. So talk us through. Yeah. Yeah. Talk us through how you felt, I guess, when you got your building contract and, you know, Yeah, that part of the process. Ooh, okay. I feel like it was almost other way round ish, that we did pre start. Maybe it was pre start and then it was the other way? Nah, it would be, yeah, yeah, I think so, yeah, definitely, yeah.

Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. So we, I think we basically stripped everything back. Mm hmm. in the house. Yep. More or less. Yeah. Um, so that it, it met the number that we'd had in mind and it was on par with kind of the land cost. Yeah. Um, and I remember you had said to me, you were like, Kelsey, you can add it all back in when you get to pre start.

And I don't understand. I feel like I'm signing off on a contract for like this concrete box. Yeah. So I think there were definitely some concerns.  at that part for us. And we were like, oh, we've got no idea how much it's all going to come to. I think I used to call you regularly and be like, how much is flooring?

How much is air con? How much is the stone kitchen bench? What about lighting? Like plugs? I think I asked for like mostly everything. And you were awesome at giving like ballpark figures, which have all come through exactly what you said. So you nailed it.  That's good. Yeah. So I think, you know, we, We had that trust in you guys.

So we signed our lives away on the building contract on our little concrete box.  Um, and then we had pre start afterwards and that's where all the fun happened. Talk us through your pre start prep meeting with Maddy. Cause I know, which is obviously why I felt very overwhelmed because we had to take things out of the contract for the bank and then putting it all back in and not knowing how much the costs were.

Yep. How did you feel before coming to see Maddie and then talk us through like your pre start prep and how you felt after? Horrendous pre.  I love that there was a podcast about this. I'm the client that had the meltdown. Yes, that is. This technically is kind of like your second podcast.  Meet the girl that had the overwhelm.

I did, I had real overwhelm. Yeah. And it was more around, we didn't know how much all of the things that we wanted to be. including the house we're going to cost. Equally at that time, like we were trying so hard to be saving like every little, you know, every little bit that we could not knowing how much things would be.

It was kind of like pie in the sky. We obviously had ballpark figures, but until you sit down and you start planning, okay, well, realistically, how many lights are you going to have? And you know, that kind of thing. Yeah. How many plug sockets do you need? You just don't really know what that.  Yeah. And so it feels like this big, scary, frightening thing.

You also don't know how long you have to save for it as well. And I just think we didn't really know what we wanted on the inside of our house.  We got the land for the dog and that was it. That was the extent of the thought. And. Also, just renting, like I think Liam and I have become like professionals now at like picking apart rentals that we've lived in and said, Oh, you know, we wouldn't do that or we would do things differently or, you know, in our home, if we can, we would like X, Y, Z.

Yeah. And then when push came to shove, like. All of that had gone out the window and we were like, we don't know. And so I called Maddie and I was like, Hey, I'm having a meltdown.  We've got our pre start prep meeting with you to go through all of this, but like, I don't even know where to start or  like, I'm looking for inspiration here, there and everywhere.

And it's very overwhelming.  I don't know what the build is capable of doing or not doing. Like, you know, how much is, how much can be customized. Yep. What am I looking into? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that kind of stuff. And she was like, just breathe. Yeah.  Like you're fine.  We've got this. Pre start prep meeting is going to be wonderful.

Yeah. And we can hash out like all those ideas.  You know, seek inspiration then and that kind of stuff. And so prior to the meeting, the builder had sent to us a list of like, here's our suppliers for things like flooring, stone bench tops, if you wanted that, carpet, that kind of stuff. So like we did start going around to a couple of places and did get a feel for, you know, maybe what we wanted or didn't want, things like that.

So it wasn't as if we didn't have anything in mind. But we'd seen things  and then weren't really sure what to do with it after. And now what? Yeah.  And again, because it was all, it was all cost dependent for us. And so we came in, we met with Maddie, best like session that we've ever had, favorite part of the journey so far, hands down.

Yeah. And it was nice. I feel like she did an amazing job of just listening to both of us. And if you've met Liam. And you've met me  . We are chalk and cheese and somehow it works really well. Yeah. But like it was trying, Maddie did a really wonderful job at trying to get out from Liam. Like what was important to him.

Yeah. And then, you know, help negotiate what was it that maybe I was after. And just based on her building experience, her design knowledge. You came in as well and we'd give feedback around. We were like, we're looking at these two floorings, you know, which one do you reckon?  Rock, paper, scissors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolute coin toss. 

And, you know, Maddie showed us galleries of either like her own property. Yeah. I think you'd showed me some of yours. Yeah. Just to see, you know, like these are the things that a builder can do and it is possible. Yeah. You're not restricted to maybe what you think you are. Yes. So one key thing that I really wanted was like a walk in shower.

Yeah. Like a, like a shower wall. didn't really want any glass. And just to save on, you know, the cleaning of hard water buildup, that kind of thing. Yeah. And so I'd had all these pipe dreams internally.  And then Maddie just did an epic job at getting that out. And she was like, yeah, I've done the same. Like here, this is what it can look like.

So yeah, like that whole process was very cool to be like, okay, we can have some things customized and ask for things like that. And just have the confidence to leave that meeting, meet with our builder, basically ask for everything and wait for costs to come in. And then. Pick your way through and cherry pick what's really important to you and what isn't.

So yeah,  we then went and met with our builder. That whole process was seamless. Yeah. And then I just called Maddie afterwards and I was like, so much. Like that was an absolute breeze. Yeah. And that's what it's there for. Like without. Going in prepared like that, it is just, I can't imagine how you pick every single thing in that four hour meeting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that would be more overwhelming. I'd be in the corner. A hundred percent. Well, yeah, you walk out and you're like, uh, I, what just happened then? Yeah, absolutely. And I think the pre start prep with Maddy gave us an opportunity to leave.  consolidate some of those thoughts and then be like, yeah, that's definitely what we want to do.

Or maybe we won't do that. Whereas I think if we hadn't have had that experience and we had to do it with the builder then and there, just knowing me and knowing Liam, we probably would have walked away with a lot of decision regret. Yeah. And then that's what happens as well. Like part of which you don't really, like if you, let's say you go to your.

Builders, pre start, and then you feel overwhelmed and you leave and you go and you go away and then you email and you're like, actually want to change this, this, this, this, this, and this, and this. You start already the back and forth between the admin internally. And then it's, I want to change this and it hasn't gone into estimating, it hasn't gone into costing.

And then you're jumping in and out. And that's actually adding in so much time until pre construction journey, which is then delaying it even further.  It's also cost money because time is money. So then as the pre start prep helps you through that process by minimizing a lot of that back and forth.

Absolutely. And we have still had some of that back and forth, which is totally natural. And I think I can already see like the time value saved because if we hadn't have had that prep. Yeah, we would have been asking for a lot more changes constantly and I can see that delay that that's created and I think okay well that one's on us.

Yeah, luckily it's not been huge delays at all. Yeah, but it was kind of stuff that happened just prior to Christmas um and obviously offices shut down at that time so yeah everything was kind of put on pause but I think you know had we have nailed everything. Yeah. It just, yeah, it would have moved that a little bit faster, but yeah.

Yeah. Grateful that it was minimal, minimal changes. Yeah. And it helps. And there's always going to be back and forth. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Without it. It's just takes so much longer or you make mistakes and cost money to fix later and things like that. So absolutely super helpful. Yeah. And so we're going through final plans process now, and you're signing off on your variations.

Talk about how feeling about the whole process overall, and I guess how. We've helped support you through that journey. Yep. You guys have helped support every part of the journey.  Just even small things. So like the latest that we're at is that obviously in prep for slab to go down, the builder has asked us to make, you know,  accounts with utility services, things like that.

So I think. It's just, it's wonderful to know that you guys are always there for every single part. We've certainly had like quiet parts of pre construction where like not much happens. And you guys still reach out and say like, Hey, how are you going? Yeah. Which is lovely. Um, and then as things start ramping up, like this week I've been, Hey guys, please help with this.

And it's just reassuring to have that extra support for. Not having to guess things yourself or am I making the right decision or I'm not sure if I'm doing this right and you guys are like, no, this is what you do. You're all fine. Yeah.  So overall, like process, like 10 out of 10, you guys, 10 out of 10, um, have recommended to other friends and you know, any, any chance I get to refer on the podcast, I'm like, you should listen to this. 

I can sell them your episode now. Oh God.  Um, so yeah, it's been an amazing experience and hopefully slab down very soon. Yeah, very soon. We'll be having a slab picnic soon. Yes. How do you think, did you ever consider going with a builder directly? Oh, no. Yeah. At the very beginning. Yeah. Um, I guess just us doing,  Yeah.

Which I think is really important for people to consider all of, all of the options. I think it was probably just before we'd signed on the dotted line to officially like work with you guys. Yeah. We went to.  Like a display village. Saw the recent Instagram post. At Team Real. Yeah.  We were those guys too. 

Um, and we just went to one that was like, very local to where we're currently renting. So it was just really Just to get a feel for, you know, what that experience is like and hated it.  Absolutely hated it. Yeah. You don't have the freedom to just wander through and get a feel for it. You are pounced on immediately by sales reps that just, it feels icky.

Yeah. And I remember us saying. Like, Oh, cause I think we, Oh, maybe, no, uh, maybe it was like off, maybe it was after we'd signed on the deadline. We had a land. Yeah.  And I think this might've been like us just trying to get our inspiration and not knowing what we wanted. It's all part of the process. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And sales reps just jumping on that and being like, Oh, we can build your house. Where's your land. We'll send it to you immediately. And I think I kid you not, I feel like we walked out of one display home and like 10 minutes later there was like a full proposal of, you know, this is where we can build for you and this is how much it costs and you need to seal the deal today ASAP, yeah, wouldn't recommend.

I mean, absolutely do due diligence and go and have a little nosy, but just,  yeah. So yeah, no, we, we did not. It was really just us getting a look in like,  you know, new builds and yeah. seeing what kind of things were put into homes. Yeah. And did you leave feeling more overwhelmed after that? A little bit, because I think, again, I'd known from the podcast that like all of the shiny things on the inside of those houses are small, are not going to be included in the price.

So I think having that knowledge was really helpful to go in and be like, you know, don't enjoy all the nice things or get sucked into that because  you went into it with the right mindset. Yeah. It was more just curiosity, I think, but yeah, no, we definitely didn't consider. going with a builder direct.

Yeah. Liam and I don't have the time. We don't have the knowledge. We've got so much going on, like in our personal lives. Yeah. Just to have that pressure of going directly and not having any support. We would have hated. Yeah. Yeah. I think we would have just rented a term. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You just, then you're like, Oh, it's too hard.

I'm just going to stay. Yeah, absolutely. But knowing that you guys are like experts in what you do and to have that support. Um, the guidance for every step, we were like, yeah, we absolutely feel supported that we could do this and we're not really doing it alone. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Yeah. I like that.  And what do you think, what if you were to give yourself one piece of advice or someone else in your position looking to get in, what would your piece of advice you would give to someone at the start of their journey that you've learned?

Binge the podcast.  No, I think it is. I think it's really helpful. I think, you know, do as much. research as you can out front, um, before, you know, going away and making a huge life decision. And that way it's a slightly more educated. Um, yeah. It's a really good decision too. You're not going into anything blind.

And there's a lot of people, like through you guys, that have been through this experience. So, you know, if you want to reach out to them, ask about their experience as well. So, but we've had nothing but a positive experience.  Yeah. And now we've got 12 months or even less of construction coming up, which is going to be so good.

And the years go by so quick. We'll be celebrating slab down and then key handover soon. I know, very exciting. Yep. Oh, thank you so much for joining me today. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. 

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